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Talking Stick Golf Course


There are a couple of different meanings behind "talking stick".  One of the most convincing is that the talking stick was an ancient calendar of important events for the Pima tribe.  Some of the events depicted on the "talking stick" are that of harvests, droughts, solar eclipse, and festivals. 

Bill Coore and Ben Crenshaw, together as a team, have created the magic of Talking Stick Golf Club. Two uniquely different courses offer many options according to the golfer's level of playing skill. Located on and owned by the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community, the North and South courses blend with their tranquil desert surroundings to provide a serene yet challenging day of play.

The North course is a Scottish links style course and will play longer with deep, well-placed bunkers.  The South course is a more traditional style golf course and has tree-lined fairways and four holes with water hazards.


North Course:
"Talking Stick's North course, with its broad, angular holes rewards thoughtful play through the rise of its many options according to one's level of skill. Its low-profile, slightly crowned greens and close-cropped approaches encourage running as well as aerial assaults." - Bill Coore & Ben Crenshaw.

18 holes
Course par 70
Rating / Slope
Black 73.8 / 125
Gold 70.4 / 122
Jade 70.0 / 116
Range of yardages: 5,532 - 7,133


Talking Stick's director of golf, Scott Heideman, calls the North Course "a purist's golf course in every sense of the word."

 

South Course: "The South course, with its tree-lined fairways and raised greens defended at the sides offers a more straightforward style of play." - Bill Coore & Ben Crenshaw
18 holes
Course par 70
Rating / Slope
Black 72.7 / 129
Gold 70.1 / 125
Jade 69.1 / 118
Range of yardages: 5,428 - 6,833


Greens:
Tifdwarf Bermuda

Fairways:
Tifway 419 Bermuda - overseeded during the cool season

Events:
Talking Stick has hosted several prominent events since its opening in January of 1998:
- PGA Tour Qualifying School 1998, 1999
- USGA Mid-Amateur 1998
- AGA 4-Ball Championship 1998
- National Club Championship for Women 1998

Talking Stick rated Arizona state's best

Russ Christ
writing in the Scottsdale Republic Newspaper on Mar. 18, 2006 had this to say.

There's 10 different criteria that Golfweek's 'America's Best' raters use to evaluate the courses," Craig Horan, managing editor of Golfweek, told the Scottsdale Republic. "The raters play the courses, assign numbers from 1 to 10, and the results are compiled."

The criteria includes intimacy of routing; quality of feature shaping; natural setting and overall land plan; interest of greens and surrounding contours; variety and memorability of par-3s, par-4s and par-5s; basic quality of conditioning; landscape and tree management; and the "walk-in-the-park" test.

The "walk-in-park" test is a crucial variable, because it refers to the extent that the four-plus hours spent on the course under review are worthwhile as an overall outdoor engagement.
While the five Scottsdale courses in the top 10 are known internationally, Talking Stick's North Course is the only one not attached to a real estate component because of its ties to the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community. It also has the most affordable peak-season greens fees, though that wasn't part of the evaluation.

It rewards "thoughtful play through the rise of its many options according to one's level of skill," co-architect and former Masters champion Ben Crenshaw said in a course brochure. "Its low-profile, slightly-crowned greens and close-cropped approaches encourage running, as well as aerial assaults."

Paul Richards, a rater from Chicago who played the North Course last year, said the architects deserve most of the credit.
"It's amazing that Crenshaw and (co-architect Bill) Coore took what was essentially a flat, uninteresting piece of property and made it into a great golf course without moving a lot of dirt," he said.
"It has great variety," said Scottsdale resident Jay Anderson, a vice president of Johnson Bank and a scratch tournament player (he has won the club championship the past two years at Desert Mountain Golf Club). "To score well, you have to hit the ball long and straight, but there is room for the higher-handicap player to recover if they hit a poor shot."

One of the best holes at Talking Stick is the demanding 471-yard (from the back tees) No. 18, a par-4 called "Trails End." The finisher is one of eight par-4s that stretch more than 430 yards and features a slight dogleg-left tee shot to a generous landing area. The drive must clear twin fairway bunkers on the right side to set up the best approach to a 36-yards-deep green, fortressed by bunkers on both sides.

Though the entrance is narrow, the subtle sloping green widens toward the back and accepts running shots from the ground.
"You would think you're in Scotland playing a links golf course if you didn't know you were in Arizona," said Scott Heideman, Talking Stick's director of golf. "It has 360-degree views of all the major landmarks in Scottsdale, and it's a purist's golf course in every sense of the word. It looks like it's been here a long time.
"It's an honor to be chosen, considering everything that is factored in. I think the golf course raters appreciate the fact that it's not contrived. The only surprise was that we didn't make the top 100 Modern list (courses built since 1960)."

Russ Christ is a correspondent for the Scottsdale Republic.

 Rates for accommodation and golf are below

We recommend the following accommodations for our clients who wish to play on the Talking Stick Golf Course.

Please click on the property below to take a look at the rates and descriptions.

Copper Wynd Resort ***** Fountain Hills

Fairmont Princess ***** Scottsdale

Four Seasons Resort ***** Scottsdale

Millennium Resort *** Scottsdale

 
TALKING STICK GOLF CLUB RATES 2006
DATES Monday - Thursday Friday - Sunday
Jan 20 2002 - Apr 06 2006 $150 $150
Apr 07 2006 - May 04 2006 $113 $113
May 05 2006 - Jun 1 2006 $91 $91
Jun 2 2006 - Aug 28 2006 $65 $65
Aug 29 2006 - Sep 11 2006 $70 $70
Sep 12 2006- Oct 16 2006 $91 $91
Oct 17 2006 - Dec 25 2006  $107  $107

The above rate must be booked and be fully paid in advance (30 -120 days) This secures your tee times at a lower rate than the regular advance fees. Tax is applicable to the above rates. Tax at this time is 7.7%
Rates are per person for 18 holes. Rate includes shared cart.

These rates are only valid for clients of Golf and Ski Vacations.

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